Self-Care Secrets with Jenny Lytle

Welcome to the Real Life Momz podcast. It is time to take a break from all our to-dos and carve out this time to focus on ourselves. I'm Lisa Foster, your host, and today I'm joined with fellow mom, author, nurse stress Relief and Self-care coach Jenny Lytle and we are going to talk about the importance of taking care of ourselves.

So, hi Jenny. Welcome to the show. Hey, Lisa, thank you so much. I'm happy to be here. Well, I'm happy to have you and I think you have an interesting background and story, that kind of puts a different perspective on self-care. So maybe you can tell us a little bit about your background and why this is so important to you.

Sure. , so like you said, I'm Jenny Lytle. I, , have been a nurse for 30 years most of that has been in end of life and hospice care. I. So when you're, when you're dealing with [00:01:00] people and families who are at the end of their lives facing , some of the most challenging times that, they'll ever go through, it's, it kind of changes the way that you look at things a little bit and some of that for the better and some of that maybe not so much.

And that's kind of what happened with my story was a little of both of those things. Because , my husband is 15 years older than I am. We have six boys together. And so when we got together, I just kind of became instant mom at 21 to, four boys. And the oldest one is nine years younger than me, so that was, that was interesting. And I was basically raised as an only child. I have a half brother who's wonderful, but we didn't live together, so we didn't have that normal, sibling rivalry and all of that. It was me and my mom growing up. And so going from that to a lot of kids. And then we had two more,

it [00:02:00] was a challenge, I mean, motherhood is not for the faint of heart, for sure. Yeah. And I, I struggled, , I think like a lot of moms, I felt like I was always failing in some way, and I wasn't sure if that was normal or if that was just because I was really failing. And so when I did.

Start working full-time outside of the home in hospice. I was good at it and people told me how much they appreciated me and we don't always get that as moms, you know, our kids don't tell us how great we are all the time. And, that kind of led to some imbalance and I found a lot of my identity in my work and.

That ended up leading to burnout years later. And that's what led me to where I am today. So that's the, that's the semicon condensed version of, uh, of that. , first of all. Six boys [00:03:00] do.

. So I can see how you can lose yourself for sure. In the mix. And I, I am right now, my daughter's off in college and I'm just home with my husband and my son, and the boy energy alone there is, is like, oh my gosh, I need something else.

You know? Mm-hmm. Besides that, so kudos for you. Good job that you're surviving and now thriving, because that is a lot. Yes, thank you. But yeah, , it's so nice to hear good job and sometimes we do have to find it elsewhere outside of the home, so. Mm-hmm. So you had an upfront. Seat to end of life, right? Mm-hmm. And, and here's the deal, like people then look back and say, okay, here's what's really important in life, right? Not all the stupid stuff that we get caught up in, that we think are important but aren't so.

Mm-hmm. What did you learn from that little piece? What are the key things that [00:04:00] kept repeating from people that you've encountered? Well, you know, it's funny because I. A lot of it is the fact that relationships are so important. Lots of people wish they would have, worked less prioritized family and friends more.

, and also , less fear about what people think about.

What they're doing. , I think we let fear get in our way. So many times we, we worry about what others are thinking about our choices, about, , different decisions that we make, things that may be from the outside look like they're bad decisions, but we have to do what's right for us.

And, and sometimes we don't know exactly what it is. And sometimes we're kind of going with our gut and, and that's. That's kind of what I've done with some of what I'm doing now, and it has been a long road because , it's hard to go against the grain sometimes when you've been, brought up to you.

You go to school, you get a degree, you get a job, [00:05:00] you do all of these things and you do 'em in this particular order. And, and I don't come from a family really of. Entrepreneurs. My family and, and especially my husband's family are more the go you work, you stay at a particular place and, and that's changing a lot, over the years.

But, but still that's, there is a, a bit of a. A comfort in that. I think , there's stability as much as there's stability in anything right now. And so it, it's kind of looking at that and figuring out, okay, regardless of what other people are doing or think I should be doing, what is it that that I really feel like I'm supposed to do, and being willing to go against the grain.

Then realizing that most people that were worried about what they're thinking about us, they're not thinking about us at all. They're thinking about what other people are thinking about them, totally. It's like that thing where you meet somebody and you say your name, you're like, hi, I'm Lisa.

And then they say their name, but you can't remember their name. 'cause you was too worried about your own name to begin with. Like how many people can't remember a name [00:06:00] here? Right? Right. Same thing, right? Yeah. Absolutely. Yes. And I do think that is one of the great things about getting older. Like it's not that I care about people less, it's just I care less about what people think about me.

Because I, I found that when I am just completely myself, then there's gonna be people who are completely repelled and, and that's okay. And then there's gonna be people that are my kind of people that. That are gonna be like, okay, well she's kind of a mess, but, but she's real,

And those are my people. And I used to want everybody to like me. And there's still a part of me that, , I wish everybody did, but I don't like everybody. I can get along with everybody. For short periods at least. But, but you know, that doesn't mean that I really wanna be like, close with everybody.

So why would I think that they do of me? So back to your original question, a a lot of it is learning, wishing [00:07:00] that they would have listened to their own intuition. And that kind of plays into to what I, what I do and what I teach now too is, pay attention to your body.

Pay attention to your gut. , sometimes literally, sometimes figuratively. But there's so many times when we know things, and especially as women, we can. Ignore that intuition. That ick meter that we have, it's there for a reason and, and being able to tune into that and trust ourselves even if we don't know why we, you don't have to have a, a concrete reason for. Just thinking, okay, you know what? I feel like I'm just supposed to say no to that. And, and being able to trust that and not get yourself into a bad situation where later you think, Hmm, I kind of knew something, felt a little off.

Yeah, it's always looking back. Right? Right. But I think that trust piece is the [00:08:00] biggest thing. Mm-hmm. I mean, just trusting that gut reaction, mm-hmm. I always say the body doesn't lie. Right? Right. So it's like if it's giving you a icky feeling that icky, I love that. Then like, why would that lie to you?

Why would we be making up that? Right. So, yeah, so I think that trust is huge.

And then going back to that note, like I should just say no to this situation. Mm-hmm. But I think we could just leave it at No too, like, right. No. That's it. Like, right. I don't have to have a reason why to feel like Right, I'm gonna be judged or even make up something. Just like, right. Nah, I'm not gonna do that.

Thanks so much, you know, bye-bye. And you know, and sometimes, sometimes it's no, like, I don't know why. I just feel like I'm supposed to say no. Sometimes it's, no, I know exactly why, but I don't wanna be rude and tell you why, you know? Yeah. Because I really don't like you. I don't wanna spend that much time with you.

I agree. Yes. We can just say no, but. There's a whole lot of women who are not comfortable saying no. Right, right. And what I encourage those women to do. Those [00:09:00] women, it's, it's me too. Is to block out time in your calendar. That is, because that was one of the things that was one of the areas where I really got myself into a big old bout with burnout was whenever something needed done.

A lot of other people had better boundaries than I did, and so they would just say, I can't, and I was like, well, you know, well she's got a ball game and, and she's got this going on. And, just saying that like, I, I got six kids at home, that wasn't enough. I mean, I didn't have something specific and my husband.

Was very helpful, which was great, but it also meant that, I knew that he'd take care of the kids. It's not like they were gonna be neglected if I was neglecting them. So I really don't have a particular reason why I can't do it, so I'll just do it because somebody's gotta do it.

And so it was frequently me because everybody else had the good sense to say no. So now what I like to do is I have time [00:10:00] that I have blocked in my calendar, and it's called blocked fancy name so that if somebody says, you know, Hey, can you do whatever, you know, and I'm like, oh, you know what? I'm booked up and I am because I'm booked up with not being booked up.

So sorry for the people who listen and who know me and are like, I wonder if she's just doing that to me. Maybe, um. But it's a way to remind myself like, I need that margin. Now , if you're somebody I really wanna hang with, then of course I can move my block time.

But, but otherwise, like, no, it reminds me that I don't need to have every moment scheduled and it keeps my calendar where people are able to schedule with me. It keeps that blocked out as well. So that's one of the things that I like to do, and I encourage people who, Hey, if you're just really struggling with that, saying no stuff, schedule some time for yourself, or just block out some time so that you don't feel like, well, I've got all this free time.

I might as well, you know, you need to have, it's okay to have some free time.

At least putting some space in there. 'cause I also have the [00:11:00] problem of I wanna do everything. Mm-hmm. Whenever I hear something I'm like, oh, that sounds fun. Of course I wanna do it,

and so if I say, you know what? Let me check my schedule and get back to you. When I am able to distance myself from the heat of the moment, then I can respond the next day and be like, okay, yes, that sounds fun, but really, hey, is it gonna be fun? 'cause some things that sound fun when I really think about 'em, I'm like, no, that does sound fun, but not for me.

And. Or I realize like, I've got too much going on. I, I, that's really not a good use of my Yes. So then I can say no a little bit easier. . Now I've heard you mention burnout a few times. Yes. So, I mean, as a nurse, like honestly mm-hmm.

I think of like, that's the first thing I think about is any healthcare field. It's like, right as I'm in the healthcare field too, it's like, wow, burnout. There you go. Right? 'cause that's a big thing like, you know mm-hmm. To if by taking care of ourselves, right? Mm-hmm. It's important so that we don't burnout.

Right. So can you talk a little bit about burnout and. What's that been for you? Yes. So, [00:12:00] it's just, there's, there's different stages of burnout, but basically it's, it's when you're, you're giving, giving, giving, and you're not replenishing yourself. So it's that whole, you know, you can't pour from an empty cup kind of thing.

But you keep trying and you keep trying, and eventually you find that, you're grouchy, you're not feeling very well, your relationships are suffering. It doesn't matter what you do at work, it feels like it's never enough. You keep trying to prove yourself. You're trying to be perfect.

And it's just that sense of no matter how hard I work, it's never. Good enough, I can't get caught up and I , can't get rid of those feelings of overwhelm and, just despair. When it's left untreated, then, then that's something that really can get worse and make it where you really can't function well at work.

And especially if you're somebody who's caring for people like, nurses, like other people in healthcare, like moms, like, like so many of us, you know, when you're trying to care for [00:13:00] others, but you have no reserve. You can't do very much for very long and do it well, and it bleeds over into every area of your life.

And that's why I really encourage women to, figure out little ways that you can take care of yourself on a regular basis. I don't approach self-care as something that's, spa days and, bubble baths and vacations, although they're wonderful and, you know, fit those in whenever you can.

But it, it's so much smaller than that and simpler than that. But I also believe that it really needs to be personalized in order to be effective for each of us because the things that, really rejuvenate me and bring me peace and, and keep me in a place of groundedness and, feeling like I'm really able to show up as my best self.

Those can be completely different than the things that do that for you, [00:14:00] but we don't often take the time to figure that out because we're too busy taking care of everybody else. . You gotta get quiet to actually figure that out, Uhhuh. Absolutely. Yeah. And that's, um, that can be a challenge. So especially with six boys.

Yes, yes, now you created a method called Becoming Method. Mm-hmm. It's to help manage stress. So I'm assuming that helps with burnout as well. Can you tell us a little bit about that and what is it? When I first, when I first created my company, I knew that I wanted it to focus on our individuality, and so I ended up calling it, um, becoming Your Best with Jenny Lidle, rn.

Well I think that the, the becoming part is because we're always in process. We're always growing, we're always evolving, and we're never going to reach that. Perfection. But it's, it's not about that. It's about the growth. It's about the things that happen to us on the journey and, and it's about becoming [00:15:00] your best, not, not her best, but, , whatever that looks like to us as individuals.

And so I went on a long journey myself. That took a lot of time and money and effort and, zigzags to, to get to where I am now. And I'm still, I mean, I'm still a work in progress and I, and I always will be, but. When I realized, okay, so instead of doing, you know, this thing over here and then zipping over here and, and doing all these, separate things and, and parts and different kinds of reflection and, and stuff, I, I wanted it to be something that was simpler, smoother, more logical progression for other people.

As a nurse, we use the nursing process to, that's kind of how we, you know, do everything with our patients. So it's assess, diagnose, plan, implement, and evaluate. And so that's the format, that's the, that's the step-by-step process that we use. And so I [00:16:00] took that and made it becoming, and, and have each of those letters.

Pertain to a certain thing. So you know, the B is for baseline. So where are you now? Because a lot of times we don't stop to think of that. And you know, if you get in a car, if you're getting ready to go on vacation, you know you're going out west, well, you need to like, you need to be able to put something more than out west into the GPS.

You need to know like, where am I at and where do I, where do I want to go? And then looking at the individual parts of. Our lives of our makeup. So, you know, the e is for excitement. What are the things that, that you love to do? What, what gets you excited? What fires you up? Because we don't always stop to think about that.

We know the things that get our kids excited, but, what is it that, what is it that I like to do? And that may be different than it was. Before I had kids, or it may be like, Hey, you know what? There's some of those things that I probably would still like to do, but I haven't thought about 'em in 10 years or 15 years.

So each [00:17:00] part is a step by step. Kind of activity to, to be able to look at, look at those particular areas. And it's not anything that has to take a long time, it's just, it kind of builds on each other and it's looking at our individual needs and where we are in our life. And so, getting down to what do you want your life to look like?

What are some things that would make it feel. More meaningful. And then where are those gaps? What, what is it that you need to do to do that? And then how do you put that plan into place? Again, it's an eight step process, but it's pretty quick when you get going on it.

And then it's just a matter of, figuring out little ways to implement that. And, and by little I'm talking, you know, five, 10 minutes at a time, sometimes less than that to. To just start incorporating little things for you into your days. Yeah, I like that a lot and I, I like just even the baseline.

I think that's huge. Like, where are we going? [00:18:00] Like, half the time you, I don't know where I'm going. You know, I'm just like, I'm going where you tell me to go. Yeah. It's just like these steps that were just walking through, just not even thinking. Mm-hmm. But like having more purposeful intention on what am I doing?

Where am I going? I love that. So I know you have some easy, even five minute little actionable tools that people can start using mm-hmm. To help implement, , some self care. Mm-hmm. Can you share some of those with us? Yes, absolutely. So the first one is the most basic, but also probably the most important.

And that's breathing because yes, we all do it, but we don't necessarily do it well. We, we don't use it to really be able to energize us or relax us, and breathing is like, our breath is a tool that can be used for things. And I'm just starting to , dig into. Breath work a little bit.

Because there's, you think, okay, it's breathing, you know, but there [00:19:00] are so many different ways of breathing and, and that, that do different things. But overall, just doing some deep breaths instead of that, shallow breathing from right here in our chest that we do on a regular basis, where we're catching our breath , but instead just slowing down, , just sitting for a minute.

And I encourage, especially women who are busy. Whether they be moms, and I know moms, you don't always get to go to the bathroom on your own, but, if those rare occasions that you do get to go on your own, you can stay in there an extra minute unless you have really little ones that maybe you can't.

But, for people who are at work or whatever and think, you know, I don't have a lot of time for this. I've got, a really busy job. Like when you're in the bathroom, stay in there an extra minute or two. Really, it can feel like a long time, but nobody's gonna miss you that bad in those two minutes.

Yeah, and if they do, then you really, really need to be in there breathing. But, just slow down while you're in there. Close your eyes. Take a couple of deep breaths, , just breathe all the way into your belly, in through your nose.[00:20:00]

And then just let it out, you know, just sigh it out and do that a few times and it can feel so simple. Like the things that I encourage are. Deceptively simple. So it, it can be easy to be like, Ugh, I know that,. Or, what's that gonna do? Okay, taking a couple deep breaths isn't gonna fix my life.

But, but done over time, it really does make a difference. And I get it. these are, a lot of, this is stuff that I've known for years too. Knowing and practicing are two very different things, I mean, we all know that, , that getting a, a good amount of sleep is good for us.

Do we do it? You know, flossing once or twice a day is good for us. Do we all do it every day? You know, I mean, so knowing and doing are two. Yeah. Incredibly different things. And I, I have to say breathing when I ask people, on the podcast, moms that come on and [00:21:00] talk about self-care and think breathing is always the one that comes up.

Every single time they might have a different technique or mm-hmm. Whatever, but. Every time. Even someone I just interviewed a few episodes ago, it was for fitness. Mm-hmm. And I was like thinking like, oh, what's one exercise? And I thought she was gonna give us like, you know, squats or something.

Right. Right. Breathing. And I was like, yes. Not, didn't even think about that. Right. So it's , it is so important, mm-hmm. That breathing is, and back in my PT days we would take classes , but there's one called if you can't breathe, you can't function.

I. And it's like, here you are working on all the components of walking and movement and whatever, but if you don't have breath, you're not gonna do any of that. So Absolutely. Going back to, yeah, so simple and most things that are good for us and that we need are not these c crazy things. Right.

Anyway. And the most and things that we're actually going to do are things that would be really easy, so, right. Yeah. Let's [00:22:00] not knock breathing. I think that is a huge one. And if you feel like it's not that important, hold your breath for a little bit. So breathing is where I always start, and it sounds, you know, lots of other people do too, but gratitude is another huge one because it's, and it's not like all Pollyanna, you know?

Oh, I'm so glad for my health and I'm glad, you know. I mean, yes, it's great to be grateful for those things. I. But it's also like, okay, that's kind of generic, , dig a little deeper. I'm really grateful that it's not frigid here anymore. I'm in Indiana, it's 61 degrees. Um, it's seven 30 at night and I still see some sun ish.

. Um, I, today I had. Somebody cancel. I had somebody that forgot about our appointment and she canceled.

Okay, well, you know what, I'm a little bit grateful for that because my day was jam packed and, then I met somebody new today that we really aligned and I thought, you know what, like, that's, that's something to be grateful for too, and it's so [00:23:00] easy to let the not so great things take up so much of our attention and we're programmed that way, like biologically. We're programmed to look for the dangers, to look for the bad things, and so we have to be intentional about the good things about looking for those and, and as we look for the things that we're grateful for, we look for the things that are going well Then.

Then we'll start to look for those more. , but so that's another, big area to start in. And again, it's super simple. You know, you can write it down if you want to, or you can just stop and think, you know what, hey, this, this, and this. Were great things that happen today. Yeah. And I like that.

I like that even ongoing, what I really am finding that I'm craving is, is exactly what you said, is almost doing it throughout the day, like mm-hmm.

Almost taking a moment and saying, okay, , I just met you right now, and this is just very exciting conversation. I feel like we're connecting and. And I love that. That feels good to me. This is something mm-hmm. That's [00:24:00] bringing me joy, right? Yep. And so I'm like grateful in this moment. And so I think that's something that personally I need to add throughout the day.

Because what happens to me, I'm like, oh, I want this and I'm hoping for that and doing this. And then if I just look at the things I'm grateful for, it's like I already have that. I just didn't even know it because I was too distracted by all the other stuff that I didn't want.

Mm-hmm. Right. Mm-hmm. So, right. I think that's important to do and, not just one and done. It doesn't have to be just a one and done. It could be, throughout the day. Right. It doesn't have to be a big process. Mm-hmm. You don't have to have it in the perfect journal, and you don't have to, make sure that you're getting it all written down and yes. It's those little things like that where we can really, be grateful for. The moments that we're in and, and focus a little bit more on those. Yeah. So one of my favorites is a WINS file. And so that is, we keep track of all the things that we do wrong. We keep that little mental list going and, and , we bring those back up to [00:25:00] ourselves and, you know, well remember when you did that before.

But we don't always think about all the things that we did well, and so maybe it's something at work. If you're somebody that works outside the home and you get, you know, you get this. Uh, attaboy kind of thing or, , a certificate or something like that, then yes, those kind of things definitely go in there.

But also, maybe a card of encouragement that you get from somebody or a time when you know that. What you did was something that was difficult and you, you pushed through, maybe you were scared and you pushed through that and did something, maybe you were feeling really frustrated and you didn't blow up on someone the way that maybe, , sometimes you would,

so keeping track of those kind of little things. , the things that your kids say to you, those super sweet things that you think you're gonna remember and then you don't necessarily, having [00:26:00] those kind of things just easily accessible. I have like, I have a paper file and then I also have a digital file where, I mean, it's just a Google folder and, I just, you know, throw things in there.

If somebody says something. Nice to me, or if I get a good review, I'll just like copy and paste it and, and throw it in there. Because there's those days when we all really struggle and we feel like we're failing at everything and we just need, we need somebody to pick us up.

And there's not always, we don't all have somebody to that's gonna pick us up and. Having that where you can just go to it and be like, okay, you know what? Hey, I am kind of awesome. And then, then you can just move on with, um, with your day with that different energy. Because when we feel good, we show up differently than when we're feeling beat down.

It's like we have to show up really strong for all the hard stuff, but, mm-hmm. You know, that other stuff, it's like, yeah, we can, we can show up there too. Yeah. [00:27:00] Right.

I do think, once again, going back to the full circle here about, when we're doing self care, a lot of times we're worried about what other people think. Like, oh, they're taking too much time for their self, or, oh, they're just showing off their stuff, or, oh, right.

But here's the deal. That's just a story I made up. Nobody cares. Right. Nobody actually cares. Right, right. Like you said, no, you know, they're not, they're not paying any attention to you. They're busy thinking about what they're gonna say when they have a chance to talk. Exactly. Yeah. So, yeah. So take care of yourself, right?

Like take care of yourself in any way. It sounds like that feels good to you. Yes. And it's, it's really taken that time to figure out like, what is it that I need? And that's one of the things when I get, when mine get incredibly overwhelmed, when my head is just swirling all over the place and I'm like, I don't even know.

I, I don't even know where to start. Then I stop and I what? I take a couple deep breaths and I think, you know, like what is it that I really need most right now? [00:28:00] And if I'm in a really bad head space and I'm like, I don't know, you know, I need, yeah, I need to go back to sleep. I need 12 more, uh, hands, you know.

But usually when, when we really settle into that and just breathe and just kind of sit there until it pops up, it doesn't take that long. And it's like, well, I need to, I need to do this thing. I need to address this thing. I need to take a nap. I need to, I need to go sit in the shower for.

A few minutes, it's simple stuff so much of the time. Mm-hmm. But we, we should on ourselves too much, you know, all the, all the things that we should be doing.

And instead just think about like, what is it that I really, what is really gonna help me feel better? What is gonna. Really nourish my, my spirit and, and help me to show up better for the people that I do care so much about. Yeah.

As women, we aren't always great [00:29:00] at being nice to ourselves at celebrating the little things like we talked about. And I think that's, if there's a should out there, I feel like that's one of the things we should be doing that we're not doing is get better about celebrating the little progresses, the little things, instead of , I just went for a mile walk.

I didn't really do that much, or I just was, you know, doing that for 10 minutes or it's all those little justs where we minimize that and, , think about, what would you say to your kids, or what would you say to your best friend? Especially if, if you're somebody that you know, like you've been struggling and maybe, you know, it's, it's hard to just get outta bed and get dressed every day.

So if that's the case, then anything. Anything above and beyond that definitely needs to be celebrated and celebrate the fact that you did get up and get out of bed and really not like, well, hey, at least you did that. No. Like sometimes that really is [00:30:00] where we're at that point and, and that part is a struggle and, and celebrating it and just feeling good about it and thinking about how you would treat somebody that you love.

Can start to make those little subtle shifts that, that add up to bigger things over time. Mm-hmm. Yeah. All right. We're all gonna celebrate our wins. Yes. But what is one thing you want moms to do right after getting off this podcast? , I want them to take two minutes to think about, , three things that they really.

Enjoy doing things that really fill their cup and, and then figure out when to do at least one of them. And they don't, you know, doesn't have to be big things, but, , just getting those little things in there. Especially if you're somebody that doesn't ever take any time for yourself. Maybe it's, you know, spending five minutes outside with a cup of coffee, just in peace and quiet before [00:31:00] everybody's awake or with a cup of tea after everybody's in bed.

, but just those little things and figure out how to get those into your days regularly. Yeah. I love that. I love being outside with my cup of coffee, so yeah, I'll be doing that one now. Where can the listeners find you? Uh, so on my website it's Jenny LYTLE J-E-N-N-Y-L-Y-T-L e.com, and you can see, , all the stuff there.

And I'm also on Facebook, LinkedIn, I. Uh, Instagram is Jenny Lidle rn. I'm really not very active on there because it just takes more effort than I've got to make everything super pretty. I'm not super polished, but mainly I'm on Facebook and LinkedIn. Um, and my email is, uh, Jenny lidle@jennylidle.com as well.

So, um, but if you can't remember all that, go to selfcare isn't selfish.com. You can get a copy of my, , digital. Book, [00:32:00] and it is called Self-Care Isn't Selfish. The Compassionate Nurses Step-by-Step Guide to Personalize Self-Care. And it's available on Amazon and audiobook and hardback and paperback and uh, Kindle.

But yeah, if you just want a digital copy, you can grab that for free on my website. That's so great that you offer a free version of it, so that's amazing. Well, thank you. Yeah. And also tell us what else you offer. Yeah, so, um, so I do, I do one-on-one coaching, sometimes I do some group coaching. Right now I don't have any groups going on per se, but I do have a new online community that is, it's just, uh, in its infancy right now.

So it's something that's kind of being co-created and it's called the nurses break room. And it's just a place, it's kind of like social media without the drama of social media and distraction of social media. So the, the point of it is to be able to come together, be encouraged, be able to grow and learn together and figure out, you know, practical, [00:33:00] simple self-care things to incorporate in our day-to-day lives.

And so there is a, um, a free 14 day trial on there. And, um, right now it's, uh, it's $11 a month for people who do continue after that. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show.

It's always fun to discuss self-care and get new perspectives, and you just had a lot of fun energy, so this was really fun for me. Well, thank you so much.

Thank you for listening to today's episode. If you wanna learn more about Jenny or grab that free download of her self-care. Isn't selfish a book? Just click on the link in the show notes and until next week, keep carving out time for yourself and keep putting yourself on top of your to-do list.